2025-11-06 09:29:34 From David Terranova to Everyone: I am also wondering what would be the use of maintaining JDC if we do not have validate data. 2025-11-06 09:30:13 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": there is plenty of data already validated that can be analysed 2025-11-06 09:30:29 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": And JDC allows the analysis 2025-11-06 09:31:07 From David Terranova to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": I agree, but not all data are validated 2025-11-06 09:31:27 From damian king to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": I don’t think the fact that some data is unvalidated is a good argument for closing the whole thing Emilia R. Solano (Spain), Rui Coelho:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:32:01 From David Terranova to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": That is exactly my point: we have JDC and we have to make the best possible use of it Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:34:26 From Hongjuan Sun to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": We still have a fairly large group of diagnostics RO working on JET data validation. We have dedicate team channel to communicate and share information. Klaus-Dieter is managing it Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:35:03 From Hongjuan Sun to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": He is frequently updating priority list of request shots 2025-11-06 09:35:26 From Rui Coelho to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": The biggest asset ever of JET is it’s data. The sheer amount of databases which is and should be consolidated should be high priority. Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:35:28 From David Terranova to Everyone: Replying to "I am also wondering what would be the use of maint...": Obviously, given the long and important story and results of JET, It was a provocative question. 2025-11-06 09:44:27 From francesco paolo orsitto to Everyone: It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting could be organized on the organization of RT11 activity 2025-11-06 09:44:53 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": It is too late, they have already decided... 2025-11-06 09:45:16 From David Terranova to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": I hope not! 2025-11-06 09:45:57 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": A meeting will show whether this is the case or not. Emilia R. Solano (Spain), David Terranova:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:54:53 From francesco paolo orsitto to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": The amount of JET data to be analyzed is considerable and it needs a specific organic organized effort 2025-11-06 09:56:38 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": We have taken the point on board and we are likely going to organise it rather rapidly. Emilia R. Solano (Spain), Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA), Vito Konrad Zotta, Davide Silvagni (he/him):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:57:17 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": @francesco paolo orsitto completely agree. People from outside Europe are asking to access JET data whereas inside Europe we limit the exploitation or even disregard them. David Terranova:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 09:58:12 From Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) to Everyone: Replying to "It is clear st this stage that a specific meeting ...": I would add that low budget for JET data analysis should not be an argument and a well designed prioritized strategy for RT11 JET (DD&DT) analysis can change this picture. Luca Garzotti, David Terranova:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:02:31 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: @Luca Garzotti this is incorrect and to be honest unfair. The amount of resources dedicated to JET in within WPTE budget is by far the largest among the WPTE device. 2025-11-06 10:03:15 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "@Luca Garzotti this is incorrect and to be honest ...": All other devices have additional funding sources. 2025-11-06 10:03:37 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: There is no intention of descoping JET exploitation. we are open to discuss the strategy nevertheless 2025-11-06 10:04:39 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "@Luca Garzotti this is incorrect and to be honest ...": And this is exactly the reason why JET resources are higher than the other device and not by few %. Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:06:29 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "@Luca Garzotti this is incorrect and to be honest ...": Facts will speak for themselves, lets see how many and which analysis will be supported amongst those proposed. 2025-11-06 10:08:46 From Dirk Stieglitz (IPP) to Everyone: For Carlo: What does "raw data generally not accessible" mean? Remote, when connected via VPN, or even on site? For Data Analysis this means: no work can be done - besides working with synthetic data. Could you please elaborate? 2025-11-06 10:09:55 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "For Carlo: What does "raw data generally not acces...": Yes, please. 2025-11-06 10:13:05 From Vito Konrad Zotta to Everyone: If we look a bit ahead WPTE, in the context of building new partnerships with the Experiments that will be exploited outside EU, JET data should be used to ensure reciprocity and data access for the European Fusion Community to next DT results wherever they are exploited. Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:15:48 From Vito Konrad Zotta to Everyone: Otherwise we risk the fragmentation of the European Fusion Community across the different research institutions in EU looking for bilateral agreements with the private sector or non-EU institutions. Alexandre Fil (CEA):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:17:47 From Tommaso Bolzonella to Everyone: @Jeronimo Garcia: your slide 5 is titled "Headlines in Op2", but the first bullet seems to refer to commissioning phase, that I understand runs under a different organization. Could you clarify? 2025-11-06 10:19:03 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "For Carlo: What does "raw data generally not acces...": It has to be clarified if this is a current technical limitation connected to the IT problems or rather a formal decision. The latter would be hardly acceptable. Dirk Stieglitz (IPP):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:44:14 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: As far as I can tell I need to join every team to be able to see their share pages? 2025-11-06 10:45:07 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: I joined PED and I can't see operations, diagnostics, etc... 2025-11-06 10:45:54 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": Good question. I believe that you can see the pages of each TG, but you need to be on the mailing list to receive invites etc. 2025-11-06 10:46:18 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": No, I can only see ped pages 2025-11-06 10:47:04 From Leonardo Pigatto to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": yes this is the case for me as well, I think one can only see the sharepoint pages of the topical groups where one is added to 2025-11-06 10:47:20 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": Very inefficient 2025-11-06 10:48:30 From Leonardo Pigatto to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": indeed, not sure if it is wanted, it might be just something no one thought about and a matter of permissions on the shared folders. It is worth asking to change this 2025-11-06 10:48:42 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": Something we can take to the QST people perhaps? Leonardo Pigatto:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:49:47 From Gloria Falchetto to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) I can see all TG pages 2025-11-06 10:51:17 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: The access structure is excessively restrictive. To design an experiment adequatly one need information from many ETs. 2025-11-06 10:52:16 From francesco paolo orsitto to Everyone: Question to J Garcia : a training course on how to run experiments on JT-60SA may be useful , is this considered by the Els ? Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:52:17 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: I think it should also be clarified if a Microsoft account is required for the Sharepoint access and if this needs to be linked to one of the participating institutes or if a private account can be used for authorization. Not every institute uses Office 365. Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:52:24 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "As far as I can tell I need to join every team to ...": I think it would be reasonable that every member of the ET can see each TG pages and request to be added to the TG mailing lists they are interested in. 2025-11-06 10:52:38 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: For instance L2H experiments require specific scenario development. How do we arrange this? As an example: in low density L2H experiments we prefer to either avoid sawteeth, or make them very small, usually achieved with non-central heating or CD. Do I need to join Operations team to find out about this 2025-11-06 10:52:38 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Tommaso Bolzonella Some comissioning items will have a strong link to experiment items so the experiments leaders (QST only) and comissioning leaders are working together to create a coherent programme inlcuding a coherent timeline 2025-11-06 10:53:44 From Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) to Everyone: This is a general question: The programme organizations of TE devices and JT-60SA are completely separate. How do we ensure that they communicate efficiently? Surely there are a lot of scientific questions that would benefit from being proccessed both in EU devices and JT-60SA (pedestal, RE, transport, etc …. ). I would suggest that TE marks clearly the experiments that could/should be extended in JT-60SA (in OP2 and OP3 for 2026 and 2027). Marco Wischmeier, Gloria Falchetto:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:53:54 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Is there no reflectometry? Fast measurements of density profiles, and of Er if Doppler reflectometry is available, would be very useful 2025-11-06 10:54:24 From francesco paolo orsitto to Everyone: Question to J Garcia , the validation of data requires also a complex cross diagnostic evaluation , is this aspect considered by Els ? 2025-11-06 10:54:36 From Dirk Stieglitz (IPP) to Everyone: Replying to "For Carlo: What does "raw data generally not acces...": Additionally: please clarify what is meant with "validated data". For integrated data analysis I would like the data from the ADC, enabling me to do the best possible background subtraction etc. I can not work with pre-evaluated profiles. 2025-11-06 10:54:51 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Can the divertor dome handle power? Can we place the outer strike point on it? 2025-11-06 10:55:08 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) As a member of the Experiment Team you should have access to all the information of all the groups. If this is not the case I will clarify it 2025-11-06 10:56:25 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "For Carlo: What does "raw data generally not acces...": raw data from MHD Mirnov coils is very useful Dirk Stieglitz (IPP):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 10:57:02 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @francesco paolo orsitto yes this is being considered by the project 2025-11-06 10:57:03 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "@Emilia R. Solano (Spain) As a member of the Exper...": As far as I know there are plenty of links I can't open 2025-11-06 11:00:08 From Gloria Falchetto to Everyone: Replying to "I think it should also be clarified if a Microsoft...": Indeed CEA does not I access with my personal email no issue 2025-11-06 11:00:25 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "This is a general question: The programme organiza...": πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:00:46 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: for those of you with problems of connection please send an email to: edias@qst.go.jp. If you don't get a proper answer please contact me Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:01:49 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "This is a general question: The programme organiza...": This was partially covered in the presentation I was supposed to give today and which will be postponed to the 24th of November. You can find the presentation on the indico page 2025-11-06 11:03:02 From Carlo Sozzi to Everyone: @DirkStieglitz 2025-11-06 11:03:48 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a proper communication between WPTE and the experiment team we have prepared several WPTE meetings in paralell to the ET meetings in order to ensure that the EUROFusion priorities arrive to JT-60SA. Also, there will be a WPTE call for participating in JT-60SA experiments and there the EUROfusion priorities can play a role. 2025-11-06 11:06:07 From Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) to Everyone: Replying to "@Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a prope...": Jeronimo. OK this will help, but this is not only a question of meeting, but reviewing the programme presented in this GPM meeting and marking those that would benefit from being extended in the JT-60SA programme 2025-11-06 11:06:41 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: Replying to "@Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a prope...": Yes that was in Nicola's talk as he said. 2025-11-06 11:08:20 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "@Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a prope...": As said before we have already identified the OP2 priorities which will provide additional benefits to the scientific objectives of WPTE. They are indicated in the talk on INDICO and I will further details it on the 24th 2025-11-06 11:10:49 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Is feedback density control already available? 2025-11-06 11:11:15 From Carlo Sozzi to Everyone: Concerning access to raw data: this is mostly a policy limitation related to the internal QST organization. Of course the present situation is not satisfactory and is regularly drawn to the attention to push for a change. Dirk Stieglitz (IPP):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:12:07 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) Yes density feedback will be ready for OP2 Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:12:23 From Davide Silvagni (he/him) to Everyone: General question on this discussion within TE: if we want to submit a proposal to a topical group where the leader is Japanese, how do you ensure that the outcome of this discussion is considered? To me it's not clear how WPTE enters into the JT-60SA decision workflow that Jeronimo clearly explained. I guess it's a question for @Jeronimo GarciaΒ and TFLs Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:13:27 From Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) to Everyone: Replying to "@Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a prope...": Just looked at your presentation. This gives a first mapping of RTs and Topic Group items. But this will need to go down to the actual experiments objectives selected as high priorities by the TFLs 2025-11-06 11:13:40 From francesco paolo orsitto to Everyone: @j Garcia : a training course on how to run experiments on JT-60SA could be very useful as demonstrated on JET, is this considered by Els? 2025-11-06 11:13:52 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": TFLs or TGL? 2025-11-06 11:14:43 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Davide Silvagni (he/him) the outcome of all these discussions will be taken into account by myself who ensures that the EUROfusion, and general, European views are considered in the JT-60SA discussions Davide Silvagni (he/him):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:14:56 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "I think it should also be clarified if a Microsoft...": My point is that I should not be forced to create a private Microsoft account for access. There should be a clear separation between private and work and if a MS account is required, it should be provided by EUROfusion or by the EU institutes. Of course it has to be ensured that the accounts are in accordance to the EU’s GDPR rules. Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:15:32 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: In fact, a list of instructions on how to navigate access, sharepages, information, etc would be very useful 2025-11-06 11:15:33 From Davide Silvagni (he/him) to Everyone: Replying to "@Davide Silvagni (he/him) the outcome of all these...": Thanks, got it! 2025-11-06 11:20:28 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": WPTE will enter via funding participation to OP2 operation (although as clarified initially this is pending budget made available and this is presently under discussion). WPTE TFLs are not participating directly to the selection of the proposals. We envisage to have discussion with EU TGL as well with EU ETL (the latter should ensure the message to be convey as well to the TG lead by Japanese colleagues) to convey which are the proposals we see will contribute mostly to the WPTE/EF program. Davide Silvagni (he/him):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:21:13 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": @Jeronimo Garcia I would suggest to add some additional details on the priorities also for the topic areas lead by Japanese colleagues. In your talk these were covered only briefly and I think we need to inform the community about these topics at the same level of detail as for the EU led topics Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:21:54 From Carlo Sozzi to Everyone: @Lidia Piron there are very few diagnostics planned for RT in OP2 (see my presentation) 2025-11-06 11:23:49 From Davide Silvagni (he/him) to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": Thank you all for the replies! 2025-11-06 11:24:37 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: Replying to "@Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) In order to ensure a prope...": This could happen only after the selection of the experiments or at least once the experiments will be proposed. I don’t think it is up to TE TFLs to define the experiments but rather to indicate among the one selected which are the ones deemed more important and which expand our present experimental program 2025-11-06 11:28:38 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": @Nicola Vianello I am wondering about the different communication paths to EU TGLs and JP TGLs. I think the WPTE TFLs should discuss their priorities directly with both. I think it is not efficient if JP TGLs are only communicating via the EU ETL. This is prone to create a two-class treatmnent where experiments are considerably harder to obtain by EU colleagues within the JP led TGs 2025-11-06 11:30:48 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": @Karl Krieger The interaction between Europe and Japan for the scientific exploitation is handled by the experiment team, a direct contact between EUROfusion and QST for these matters is not envisaged 2025-11-06 11:35:05 From Emmanuel Joffrin (CEA) to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": @Karl Krieger Note that JT-60SA is not like JET. JT-60SA is a japanese machine. Anything we do to"couple" the TE and JT-60SA programmes should be done separately from the JT-60SA programme organisation 2025-11-06 11:37:58 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) Sorry, poloidal rotation can be also obtained with CX Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:38:14 From Carlo Sozzi to Everyone: @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) for toroidal roatation also XICS should be available Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:39:02 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: He is giving a whole talk: it was 1 slide 2025-11-06 11:39:23 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": I understand but the problem I see is that access to the topics covered by JP led TGs appears to be more difficult for EU colleagues. Already in this meeting, the level of detail presented for the EU led TGs is considerably higher than for the JP led TGs. Gloria Falchetto:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:40:25 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Is nobody chairing this? 2025-11-06 11:41:10 From Karl Krieger to Everyone: Replying to "Is nobody chairing this?": I agree. The level of detail in these presentations is in many cases beyond the scope of this general meeting 2025-11-06 11:41:31 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": For the Scenario and Pedestal groups that is not the case. Information has been provided regularly. I did not include much more information today as I had only 12min. The information is ready in RMS though. You can read it. Further meetings will be organized. 2025-11-06 11:48:02 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Can we have a wiki with all proposals for JT-60SA, so we can all know who is interested in given things? The advantage of the wikis is that we can all develop them. Even if Japan doesn't go for wikis, we could use them in EU? 2025-11-06 11:49:22 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: Replying to "Can we have a wiki with all proposals for JT-60SA,...": That is being discussed. We will communicate how this will work soon. Emilia R. Solano (Spain):πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:50:02 From Luca Garzotti to Everyone: Replying to "Can we have a wiki with all proposals for JT-60SA,...": Shouldn't the proposals be on the Research management site instead of duplicating info? 2025-11-06 11:53:26 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: How many shots per day? How many operation days in OP2? 2025-11-06 11:54:32 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: @Emilia R. Solano (Spain) We will provide that information in the Experiment Team Meeting. Still some internal discussion ongoing... 2025-11-06 11:54:59 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "@Emilia R. Solano (Spain) We will provide that inf...": That is the ETM at 1am in the EU? 2025-11-06 11:55:17 From Michael Faitsch to Everyone: how is the organisation, 50% EU and 50% J proposals/pulses? 2025-11-06 11:55:17 From Jeronimo Garcia to Everyone: Replying to "@Emilia R. Solano (Spain) We will provide that inf...": No, that meeting will be organized soon at good EU time Emilia R. Solano (Spain):❀️ 2025-11-06 11:55:44 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "how is the organisation, 50% EU and 50% J proposal...": JG said earlier 40% EU Michael Faitsch:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 11:55:48 From Marco Wischmeier to Everyone: Replying to "General question on this discussion within TE: if ...": I enourage this as the interest is great and positive and the communication of this kind of forum will help to provide the ownership in the communiy despite the pitfalls we will still have on the way. I do not expet everything to run smoothly towards and for OP2,but I hope we can establish regular conversations regarding JT-60SA inside EUROfusion to keep the momentum that is visible today going. 2025-11-06 11:56:01 From Carlo Sozzi to Everyone: @Umar Sheikh there are a few options, no one of them is granted unfortunately 1) a neutron monitor is being proposed, under discussion (the one Jeronimo mentioned) 2) the detector you offered from TCV 3) in OP1 RE were measured with the neutron monitor and this is probably still usable in the H phase of OP2 Umar Sheikh:πŸ™ 2025-11-06 12:31:43 From Gloria Falchetto to Everyone: INCO call is already out... 2025-11-06 12:32:02 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "INCO call is already out...": I didn't get it 2025-11-06 12:32:12 From Gloria Falchetto to Everyone: Replying to "INCO call is already out...": I got it through other WP 2025-11-06 12:32:27 From Emilia R. Solano (Spain) to Everyone: Replying to "INCO call is already out...": Thanks. 2025-11-06 12:32:39 From Nicola Vianello to Everyone: The WPTE part of INCO will be launched by WpTE TFLs as done in the past. This is different from the ones issued by other WP Gloria Falchetto:πŸ‘ 2025-11-06 12:33:05 From Gloria Falchetto to Everyone: Replying to "The WPTE part of INCO will be launched by WpTE TFL...": sorry