Meeting on unified A&M data policies

25 Nov 2024, 10:00 → 27 Nov 2024, 16:00 Europe/Berlin

FZ Juelich Build 9.1. Main Seminar Room (In persion / ZOOM )

Dmitriy Borodin (FZJ)

This meeting is a follow-up of our discussions at the 

AMPMI 2024 (15-19 July 2024): Overview · Indico for IAEA Conferences

The need was identified to agree on the procedure and criteria of the accepting/rating/checking of the various datasets. This obviously involves other related questions like data formats, data mining at various places, data synchronisation between those etc. It was clear that it should involve EIRENE, YACORA and ERO modelling as well as ADAS and MCCC databases. Sure we can involve more colleagues (welcome to suggest more participants!..), but still have to keep focus. Good news is that IAEA is willing to support us including holding a special TM on this provided we come to something conclusive enough this year. 

Aim: to unify the use of the A&M reaction data in plasma, agree on data assessment policies. I think it was a clear agreement not go deep into the PSI, unless it is clearly related to the processes in plasma like e.g. initial internal states after the surface release. We also rather leave the discussion regarding the experimental validation for the TM to follow early next year. However we need to overcome the confusion of responsibility due to multiple parties (EUROFusion, ITER, IAEA,…) involved yet by a very limited actual manpower available for the productive work.

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Monday, 25 November

10:00 → 13:30 Arrival, getting started, bilateral talks, etc.

13:30 → 13:45 FORMAL START. Greetings, agenda approval, misc.

13:45 → 18:00 Summary of useful experience

Convener: Dmitriy Borodin (FZJ)

13:45 AMNS (EUROfusion) status and outlook

(20+10) min presention + discussion

Speaker: David Coster (MPG)

14:15 ITER requirments and polices reagarding the AMNS data

(20+10)min

Speaker: Xavier Bonnin (ITER org.)

14:45 IAEA requirments and plans regarding the AMNS data

(20+10) min

Speaker: Kalle Heinola (IAEA)

15:15 Coffee break

15:45 MCCC data base walkthrough

(15+5) min

Speaker: Liam Scarlett

16:05 ADAS principals and outlook for development

(20+10) min

16:35 Discussion I.

1) Taking of points from fhe 1st session
2) Approving the aproach to prepartion of the document and distribution of the subtasks

19:00 → 21:30 Social dinner (in Juelich)

Tuesday, 26 November

09:00 → 10:45 The requirements and experience from the codes (and standalone CRMs)

Convener: Dmitriy Borodin (FZJ)

09:00 YACORA status and plans, A&M data requirments (TNC!..)

Speaker: Ursel Fantz (Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik)

09:30 A&M Data in EIRENE, dedicated tools PLOUTOS and ModCR

(20+10)min

Speaker: Dmitriy Borodin (FZJ)

10:00 Discussion II

Mainly taking points for the joint document

10:45 → 11:15 Coffee break

11:15 → 13:00 Surface data and PSI codes

11:15 Surface data: PSI codes e.g. ERO, SDTrimSP, MolDyn (TBC...)

(20+10)min

11:45 A&M and surface data relating in modelling (TBC)

A&M and surface data relation. Reservoirs. FEM and reduced models for surface effects. Which data is needed and in which form.

12:15 Discussion III

Mainly fixing the points

13:00 → 14:00 Lunch break

FZJ "Seecasino" canteen

14:00 → 18:00 Joint document preparation

14:00 Summary of the notes taken from discussions I-III

14:20 Free form discussiion, brainstorming, action distributing

15:45 Coffee break

16:15 Break-up sessions

Short-circle groups aimed to come with portions of the joint document

17:45 Review of the achived status, issues, adjourn for Tue

Wednesday, 27 November

09:00 → 13:00 Finalising the joint document

09:00 Parts of joint text from break-up groups

3x15min

10:45 Coffee break

11:15 Preparation discussion for the IAEA TM (early 2025)

Speaker: Kalle Heinola (TBC) (IAE)

13:00 → 14:00 Lunch

FZJ "Seecasino" canteen

14:00 → 16:00 Lefovers, plans for future, final remarks

15:50 Meeting adjourn